#131 - Will Smith Slaps Chris Rock at the Oscars

April 1, 2022

On March 27, 2022, Will Smith won an Oscar for best actor after his performance in the movie, King Richard. However, some would say that moment was overshadowed by a controversial moment in which he slapped Chris Rock for making a joke about his wife, Jada Pinkett Smith. Now, I can assure you that I'm not here to judge anyone or gossip about anything. I'd just like to talk about some deeper underlying subjects that affect all of us in one way or another. I totally respect all opinions on this moment in pop culture, and I'm just here to share mine with you.

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Tony Kaizen: [00:00:00] All right y'all. Most of us know about the Oscars and the significance of this event. It's when a bunch of rich and famous people and all their publicists get all dressed up to go suck each other's dicks for a couple of hours, narcissistically, telling themselves how wonderful they are. So I'm not going to waste any time talking about the Oscars or the so-called prestige of this event.

[00:00:18] Let's get right into the real reason we're here, and that's to talk about what happened between Chris Rock and Will Smith at the Oscars. Now, Will Smith slapped the absolute shit out of Chris Rock after he made a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith. This moment, for better or for worse, is the topic of everyone's discussions right now, and it's ironically the topic of this podcast episode. Now, I highly recommend you watch this episode on YouTube to get the complete experience, because I'm going to be showing pictures and videos, and I think it might be a little confusing at times if you can't see what I'm talking about. So if you can go to YouTube.com/lifeinenglish to watch the full episode.

[00:00:56] But now let's take a look at what actually happened, or at least what we saw on TV. Chris Rock was making jokes about some of the actors in the crowd, like Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz. And then he made a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith and the fact that she's now bald because of a disease called alopecia. So let's take a look at that clip real quick.

Chris Rock: [00:01:16] You know who's got the hardest job tonight? Javier Bardem and his wife are both nominated. Now, if she loses, he can't win. He is praying that Will Smith wins. Like, please, Lord!

[00:01:36] Jada, I love you. G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it. All right.

[00:01:42] It's just.. That was a nice one! Ok. I'm out here.. Uh oh, Richard.

[00:01:51] [Will Smith slaps Chris Rock] Oh, wow. Wow.

Chris Rock: [00:02:00] Will Smith just smacked the shit out of me.

Will Smith: [00:02:04] Keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth.

Chris Rock: [00:02:09] Wow, dude.

Will Smith: [00:02:10] Yes.

Chris Rock: [00:02:11] It was a G.I. Jane joke.

Will Smith: [00:02:13] Keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth.

Chris Rock: [00:02:18] I'm going to, ok? Ok, woah, ok. That was uh.. Greatest night in the history of television. Ok. Ok.

Tony Kaizen: [00:02:32] All right. So before we go any further, let me explain what alopecia is, just in case you're not familiar with this disease. Alopecia areata, also known as spot baldness, is a condition in which hair is lost from some or all areas of the body. Often it results in a few bald spots on the scalp, each about the size of a coin. Psychological stress and illness are possible factors in bringing on alopecia in individuals at risk, but in most cases, there's no obvious trigger. People are generally otherwise healthy. In a few cases, all the hair on the scalp is lost or all body hair is lost and can be permanent. So as you can see, the only real symptom of this disease is partial or in some cases, complete loss of hair, typically on the head and face. Now, what does that have to do with the joke that Chris Rock told? Well, let's hear that joke one more time.

Chris Rock: [00:03:24] Jada, I love you. G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it. All right.

Tony Kaizen: [00:03:30] So you might be asking yourself who or what is G.I. Jane? Well, G.I. Joe is a fictional character that was created to represent members of the U.S. armed forces. It started out as an action figure and turned into various movies and this entire media franchise. Now, G.I. Jane is a movie that came out back in 1997 about a woman who joins the U.S. Navy during a time when most people believe that women shouldn't join the military because they're too weak and passive and feminine and all that stuff.

[00:04:01] So if you're watching this on YouTube, you can see that the woman in the movie G.I. Jane ended up shaving her head to look like the rest of the men in the military. And that's why Chris jokingly said he couldn't wait to see Jada in G.I. Jane 2. And of course, we know what happened after he made the joke. So now I'd really just like to share my opinion with you. But before I do that, let's summarize the main talking points that we've surely heard by now.

[00:04:26] Here are some main arguments against Chris Rock, people that think that Chris Rock was wrong, right? People say that Chris Rock was out of line because you can't joke about people's illnesses. They say that it was the wrong place and time for the joke. Right? They say that or I can't say 'they'. But we were talking about this in the community the other day, and one of our members said that what Chris Rock said was a form of violence... A form of violence. And some people also say that, you know, he had.. How can I say that? Some people say that they believe in free speech, but only if it's not mean or hurtful speech. Like, hate speech is not included in free speech. Mean or disrespectful words are not included in free speech. And therefore what he said was not okay. He did not have the right to say that. Right?

[00:05:14] Now, people who support Will Smith or think that he was in the right say things like Will Smith was defending his wife's honor. Right? Because Chris Rock attacked his wife. So he was defending his wife in some way. Other people say that sometimes it's hard to think twice before you act. So even if what Will Smith did was wrong, you can excuse him for it. Because in the heat of the moment, you know, he didn't think twice about his actions and he just reacted, right? Other people say, "If it were me or if I were Will Smith, I would have done the same thing!" You know? Or, "If I had to choose a side between Will Smith and Chris Rock, I choose Will Smith because Chris Rock was out of line. He disrespected Will Smith's wife. And therefore, if I had to choose, I would side with Will Smith."

[00:06:00] Now I want to make a disclaimer. I want to make it clear that I have no intention of judging anyone involved in this situation nor anyone who has an opinion that opposes mine. I simply like to talk about the actions that were taken and not the people themselves, because although I don't know these people, it's an opportunity for us to have a conversation about important topics like what's right and what's wrong, responsibility, free speech, respect? And manhood. Right. So without further adieu, let me tell you what I think.

[00:06:30] So let's take it all the way back to the beginning, right? Chris Rock told this joke about Jada Pinkett Smith's appearance, and a lot of people would say it was completely uncalled-for. It was disrespectful. It was the wrong place in time. And on some level, I could agree with that. Like, me personally, I have a very, very, very dark sense of humor. Like, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing that cannot be joked about. Because at the end of the day, a joke is meant to make light of a situation. You see what I'm saying? So when you joke about something, you're basically saying, like, "This is reality, and here's the bright side of it." That's really the idea of a joke, especially when you're joking about something dark or negative or sensitive or something like that. You're making light of the situation.

[00:07:18] Now, people will say that this is the Oscars. This is not a comedy show, right? We understand that comedians make light of situations and we understand that if a comedian is in the room, nobody is safe, right? If you look funny, you're going to get made fun of if you say something stupid, you're going to get made fun of. It could be anybody in the room. But this is the Oscars. This is not a comedy show. And for him to single out Jada Pinkett Smith specifically was uncalled for. It was unnecessary. And I can agree with that. But at the same time, it was a joke, bro. It was a joke. He didn't say, "Hey, bitch, you look ugly. Look at your bald head. HA HA!" He said, "G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it." Because you look like the lady from fucking G.I. Jane, bro.

[00:07:58] So some people say it was the wrong place, wrong time. He was out of line. He got what he deserved. You know, he should have been slapped in the face, you know? And it's fine if you have that opinion. I just think that, you know, there was nothing wrong with the joke. But that's a question of opinion, right? I just.. He could have said something much, much, much worse about her appearance. But I think it was a light-hearted joke. But it's just a question of opinion, you know what I'm saying? But when you think about the reaction, what happened next.. If we watch the video again, you saw that most people in the room laughed. Some people were like, "Well, that's kind of fucked up." But Will Smith himself, his first reaction was to laugh. It was like, ha ha, like a light-hearted joke. We get it. Then he looks at his wife, she's not feeling it, and then he changes his reaction. He said, "No, now it's time to be big and tough and I got to defend my wife. I'm going to do something." And he walks up on stage on live TV and slaps the shit out of this man. And the justification is you disrespected my wife.

[00:08:58] Now, you know, I guess depending on how you look at it, you could say he was protecting his wife. But the question is protecting from what? A joke? Another man's words? You know what I'm saying? Like, what exactly was he protecting her from? Where was the actual danger in the situation? You see what I'm saying?

[00:09:19] Like, some people will say, "Oh, well, in the heat of the moment, you know, he got triggered. It's hard to think twice. And he just.. He just acted. So we can't really judge him or hold him accountable for that. And if it were me, I would have done the same thing. If somebody makes a joke about my wife's appearance or somebody's talking shit, I slap the shit out of them too." But would you really? Would you really?

[00:09:41] Like, let's be honest, if Dwayne Johnson, The Rock, or Brock Lesnar or Francis Ngannou was up on stage and your wife has alopecia and she's sitting next to you, and he says, "G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it. Ha, ha." Are you really going to get up on stage and slap the taste out of one of these men's mouths? Come on, bro. Like, let's be serious. You would not do the same thing. Maybe if it was a person that was smaller than you that you weren't afraid of, that you felt that you could take in a fight. You might do something like that. But let's be honest, bro. If it was somebody that could beat the shit out of you, and he made a joke about your wife's appearance. Would you get up on stage and slap the shit out of his face? I doubt it. I don't know, but I doubt it.

[00:10:24] But let's get to the real root of the situation here because you're saying.. What you're telling me.. For people that.. We can already agree that what Chris Rock said was unnecessary. Now, whether you think the joke was inappropriate or disrespectful or whatever, that's a question of opinion. I don't think it was. It was just a fucking joke. But I remember that my sense of humor is extremely dark and I am nowhere near as sensitive as most people these days. So I'm taking that into consideration. I get it. But if we talk about what actually happened, this man made a joke. He said something. And Will Smith's reaction was to get physically violent, to slap him in the face.

Tony Kaizen: [00:11:00] If you're saying that was justifiable and he was protecting his wife, what I hear you saying is anytime somebody says something that you don't like or any time you feel disrespected by somebody's words, it is completely fine to slap the shit out of them. Or to beat they ass. That's really what you're saying here, that it's totally justifiable. Any time somebody says something that you don't like, beat the shit out of them or cancel them or whatever it is. You know, "If I had to choose sides, I would choose Will's side." But, like, bruh...

[00:11:32] There's so many things here. Like, first of all, he laughs first, and then changed his reaction and got up there and slapped him. And he didn't even, like.. The way he went about it..And this is just my opinion, again, but it was just such a bitch move to me, bruh, to get up on stage and slap that man. And first of all, he sucker slapped him, you know, because.. That's really not even a term. But the term sucker punch.. To sucker punch someone means to punch somebody when they're not expecting it. So if you watch the clip again, you'll see where Smith walked up, and looked down for a second, and then he slapped them out of nowhere. It was a surprise. Nobody knew that the slap was actually coming. And that's what it means to sucker somebody, to sucker punch somebody.. Is they're not expecting it, everything is cool, and all of a sudden, bam, you punch them.

[00:12:17] And you might have your own opinion about that, but that's just a bitch move. That's a coward's move. If we're going to fight, if there's going to be a confrontation, you're walking up to this person, there's no hesitation, there's no talking. You punch them, and then you stand there, and we're going to fight now. You don't slap a man like a woman, like a little bitch, and then turn around and walk away. Run away. He walked, but turn around and run away. You know what I'm saying? That's just a bitch move, bro. That's a bitch move. If you.. If it's really a problem and you're going to slap a man in his mouth, then you stand there and wait for his retaliation. We're going to fight now. That's just my opinion.

[00:12:52] And ladies, I don't expect you guys to understand this one. But as a man, one of the things that's most important to us is respect. And to slap a man with an open hand... It's just one of the highest forms of disrespect that you can demonstrate towards another man. You just.. You just don't do that. You see what I'm saying? Like, to slap a man with an open hand is basically communicating you think he's a bitch. He's less than a man. That's what you do with a woman. Now, ladies, no disrespect. I'm not saying that you should hit women. I'm not saying that you slap women. I don't condone that behavior. So, like, please don't come at me with that bullshit. Just follow me and try to understand my point.

[00:13:30] You slap a man with an open hand. That's what you do to a bitch. You're saying he's a bitch? Right. You just don't do that. You don't do it, especially in the context of that situation, bruh. Like, I mean, let's put it this way. You're saying Chris Rock disrespected.. Excuse me, one second. You're saying Chris Rock disrespected Will Smith's wife with this joke, and therefore it's justifiable for him to defend his wife's honor and get up there and punch him in the mouth. Right? Both were kind of wrong in the situation. But we can understand Will Smith's side because he was protecting his wife.

[00:14:08] But let me ask you this question. For those of you that are of the opinion that Will Smith was justified. Let's switch it for just a second. Imagine we're at a presidential inauguration or some formal event and Barack Obama is up on stage and Donald Trump's wife has alopecia. She's bald and he says "G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it."

[00:14:31] Or even more accurate, he makes a joke about his wife's citizenship or her accent when she's speaking English or something like that. Would it be justifiable if Donald Trump got up on stage and slapped the shit out of Barack Obama? Would that be okay? Would that be justifiable? Of course not. You'd be ready to castrate that man. Bury him under the fucking jail. This racist.. And he did it because he was black. Donald Trump slapped him because he was black. And he's a racist piece of shit. And, oh, it was just a joke, bro. You can't take a joke? What, your fucking ego is too weak, Donald Trump? You're a bitch. It was just a joke. Relax, man.

[00:15:08] Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that wouldn't be the majority of people's reaction. Like, come on, bro, let's be real for a second. Like, just because you're a fan of this person doesn't mean that they can do no wrong. You know what I'm saying? Like, and again, I don't know or give a fuck about Will Smith, Chris Rock, Jada Pinkett. We're talking about the actions that were taken. Right? So if we switch it.. Those same actions with different people, would it be the same? I just don't think so. I don't think so.

[00:15:35] Because going back to the joke that was made, you're saying it's not okay to joke about people's illnesses, which it certainly is, in my opinion. There's nothing that cannot be joked about. Now, if she was lying on her deathbed and he was making jokes like, "Ha, ha, you're about to die." Like that's.. That's a little too much. I can agree with that, you know? But I just don't think. The joke was inappropriate or too much or disrespectful in any way. It was a good joke, but that's just my opinion.

[00:16:00] But if it's not okay for us to joke about people's appearance, if it's not okay for us to joke about people's illness or what they look like, how they sound, whatever, it's not okay to make jokes at other people's expense. Why is it then okay, nobody says shit, nobody's upset or angry in any way when we joke about somebody like Donald Trump? "Hey, orange man. Hey, orange face. Hey, yellow hair, toupee man, you ugly motherfucker, you piece of shit." That's totally fine.

[00:16:25] It's totally fine to joke about his wife's citizenship or her accent or the fact that she worked here as a model with no visa or whatever. That's totally fine. Why? Because you don't like him. Because you don't respect him. That's the only reason that it's okay. But if it's somebody you like, if it's somebody you support, if it's a woman, if it's a black man, if it's a gay man, if it's a transsexual, then it's not okay.

[00:16:50] I call bullshit, bro. That's very.. It's extremely hypocritical. Right or wrong.. Whatever happened, whether you think it's right or wrong, that's hypocritical, I think. You know? And it's like we just have to understand, like, this is.. If we're talking we're taking the context of the situation into consideration, this is the Oscars, this prestigious event. Most of us know Will Smith is going to win the award. And the moment, I mean, like, this is his first Oscar, if I'm not mistaken. And, like, a 20-year career in acting. He should have been won an Oscar a long time ago, but he finally wins. And that moment is overshadowed by the fact that he couldn't control himself in the moment because somebody made a joke about his wife. I don't know. You might say, like, "If I was him, I'd do the same thing. Somebody disrespects me and makes a joke about me or my wife. We're going to fight or I'm going to slap the shit out of you or whatever."

[00:17:43] It's a question of opinion, man. But I just think. As a man or a woman, as an adult, as an evolved, educated human being, You understand that words are just words. They're just words. Like, who gives a fuck what people got to say, bro, who gives a fuck? If somebody makes a joke about your appearance or your job or your weight or your height or your whatever. Who gives a shit? If you can't take a joke all that means is you cannot accept reality. In my opinion, that's all that means, because the joke is just making light of reality. We're.. Maybe it's a terrible reality, maybe it's a dark reality, but we're making light of that situation. We're laughing at it. We're saying this is the case, but let's try to make light of it. Let's laugh about it because at the end of the day, this is reality. We cannot change or bend or alter reality just because we don't like it. So let's laugh about it. If we can't laugh about it, what else do we have? If we can't say what we're really thinking, what else do we have? Right?

[00:18:45] Because that's all you're saying. In that moment. it was just words. It was just a joke. I made a joke about your wife's appearance. So when you can't take that and you decide, like, I'm feeling triggered. I'm feeling angry. After you laughed about it.. Immediately after you laughed about the joke, you then change your mind, and then you want to play the tough guy and go physically assault this man. All you've shown the entire world is that all I have to do to get you out of your element, all I have to do to get you acting like a little bitch, like a coward, is just, pow, just flick you. Just say a couple of words and I can get you to throw your career away. I can get you to physically assault me and possibly go to jail. And spend who knows how much money on some type of lawsuit if I press charges and all this shit. That's all you've shown me, is how fucking small you are. Because all I had to do was say, "Ha, your wife's bald." and you're ready to fight. You's a bitch. You are a bitch, bro. You're weak. I'm not saying that in a judgmental way. I'm not saying that I'm better or worse than anybody else. It's just my opinion. That's weak as fuck.

[00:19:52] Like, if you're offended by somebody else's words to the point where you want to physically hurt them or cancel them or get them fired or whatever it is, it's most likely because your parents did a poor job of raising you. Your parents didn't teach you how the world actually works. Your parents didn't teach you how life actually works. Because a lot of people would say, like, we were talking about this in the community on Discord the other day, and one of our members said, or I asked everyone in the group, "Do you guys believe in freedom of speech? Do you think that Chris had the right to say what he said? Do you believe that anybody has the right to say anything negative or positive, hurtful or helpful? Do you believe in that?"

[00:20:29] And one of our members said, "Yeah, but only if what the person is saying is not mean or hurtful or disrespectful. I don't think that they should have the ability or the platform or the stage to say those things." And if that's what you believe, that's totally fine. I mean, it's just a question of opinion, I guess. But what you're saying, what you're communicating is, "I believe in free speech, but only if. What the person is saying is something I like or want to hear."

Tony Kaizen: [00:20:57] And that's not free speech. You cannot say, "I believe in free speech, but". There is no 'but'.. There's. That's the end of the sentence. I believe in free speech. Because free, freedom, the idea is no restrictions, no limits, no barriers. Do whatever you want, say whatever you want. So as soon as you say 'but', the speech is no longer free. And the problem here is you are arbitrarily putting limits on someone else's ability to express themselves freely. And the problem with that is life just doesn't work like that. The world is not going to stop and consider your thoughts or feelings or experiences every time they have something to say. That's just not the way the world works.

[00:21:39] Because you, expressing your opinion, saying that he's wrong, saying that he deserved it, saying he's a piece of shit or talking shit about somebody like Donald Trump. And I've said his name a few times. I keep using that example. I'm not like, "Yeah, go for Donald Trump, support him." I don't give a fuck about none of that. I'm not a Trump supporter or Obama supporter. I don't.. I have no political affiliation. I don't give a fuck about any of that. It's just.. That is a public figure that is.. And it's totally fine to disrespect and degrade him, but not people that we like and respect. And I just think that's hypocritical. So I just wanted to make that clear, but it's like... I lost my train of thought. What was I saying? Ah, yeah. Free speech.

[00:22:22] Free speech, you can't say, "I believe that everyone has the right to express themselves, but only if they're saying something I like or appreciate or agree with." That's not how free speech works. And people died. People gave their lives so that you could sit up here and express your thoughts or opinions. So for you to turn around and say that somebody else can't just because you don't like what they have to say is childish and hypocritical, I think.

[00:22:47] Because if you don't like what somebody has to say, you don't have to listen. You can always get up and fucking leave. Right? And how is it that you feel justified to say that you disagree? But he doesn't have the right or she doesn't have the right to say what they want to say? It doesn't make sense to me. Hate speech is free speech. Disrespectful speech is free speech. Hurtful speech is free speech. You don't have to like it or accept it, but that's what it is. Because think about it, if you're saying that we can only say things that are not hurtful, disrespectful, controversial, we can only say things that won't hurt other people's feelings, we need to consider everyone's thoughts, feelings and experiences before we open our mouths, how the fuck are we going to speak about anything? We can't. Jordan Peterson said it best. In order to be able to think, you have to be able to risk being offensive to somebody.

Tony Kaizen: [00:23:44] It's impossible to take.. Imagine we have a black person, a white person, a woman, a man, a gay person, a transsexual, a Latino, an Asian an African, all in the same room and I have something to say. You're telling me I need to stop, think and consider all of these people from all of these different walks of life and make sure I'm not going to say anything that will hurt any of their feelings? That's childish, bro. It's ridiculous. It's like you're really.. You just don't understand how life works. And you're totally fine.. It's just hypocritical because you're totally fine saying what you have to say or making jokes about things that you think are funny or expressing your opinion about certain things. And I highly doubt that you're taking the world into consideration every time you express yourself, and that's the way it should be. You shouldn't take the entire world into consideration. Right? It's ridiculous, bro. It's ridiculous.

[00:24:35] I am not responsible for your feelings about what I said. I'm responsible for what I say. That's it. Now, if there's a reaction to what I say, then I just have to deal with that. But to say that I'm responsible for how you feel about what I say is fucking childish. It's childish. I don't know what else to say about that. Like, if you can't understand that concept, I don't really know what else to say. You can't say "I believe in freedom of speech, but. And it's impossible to take everyone into consideration before you speak because then nobody would speak.

[00:25:10] And even if you do try to put those limits on someone else's speech, you think they're going to stop thinking what they think? Of course not. They're just not going to say it, but they keep thinking it. They're going to talk about it behind closed doors, which just makes it harder for us to communicate and for us to understand each other and to work together. Because now I smile and I say these nice things, but as soon as I shut the door and I'm with my friends, I'm saying something completely different. That's called 'politics'. That's politics. And we hate fucking politicians. Why? Because they say one thing and they do another. They say one thing and they believe another. We hate that shit. And you're asking everyone to be a fucking politician when you say "Only say things that are acceptable by everyone, only say things that will hurt no one's feelings." That's fucking crazy, bro.

[00:25:59] That is fucking ridiculous to say that if somebody says something that you don't like p.hysically assault them, beat the shit out of them, slap them if you feel disrespected, get physical. If you feel disrespected, try to get them fired. Try to ruin their lives because they hurt your feelings. It's childish. That's childish because if we go back to the moment at the Oscars, I mean, this great legendary American actor, Will Smith, his crowning achievement, he finally wins the Oscar. This is his moment. This is his night. Finally, he gets the award. And somebody makes a joke about his wife's appearance.

[00:26:35] In that moment, again, you know, it's hard to say what should have been done because it's a question of opinion. But in that moment you're saying, ok, you got disrespected. Somebody says something he didn't like. Why not sit there, grab your wife's hand, look at her and understand, we know who we are. So who gives a fuck with somebody else has to say about us or the way we look or what we do? I know who I am. She knows who she is. We know who we are. So there's nothing that you can tell me that's going to make me feel or think differently about myself. I know who I am. Because guess what? She is bald. Guess what? She does look like fucking G.I. Jane. She does, that's just the truth.

[00:27:18] Now, you might say, "Ok, but you don't have to say that." And I agree, it was unnecessary. He didn't need to say that. He didn't need to single her out and comment on her appearance. Sure, bro. But why not just.. If it was so horrible what he said, if it was so disrespectful and just horrific what he said. Why not just sit there and let the room feel that? He makes this joke, why not just sit there? Why do you need to react? Let the room feel that and let him sit in that disgusting thing he just said. The embarrassment alone is enough punishment for him. And you maintain your dignity and your self-respect by showing everyone. Yeah, he said that. But so fucking what? I'm tall, dark, handsome, rich, famous. I got a beautiful wife. We're both successful entertainers. I'm about to win an Oscar tonight. I don't give a fuck what you got to say. To me. That's the way you handle that situation. Somebody who respects themselves and knows who they are and is not affected by the fucking petty little comments that people make. That's how you handle that situation. This is my opinion, you know, so I just think it's weird.

[00:28:26] Of course, everyone has their own opinion, but it's just weird to me how people pick and choose and change the definition of right and wrong depending on who we're talking about. Because if it was somebody that you didn't like or respect, you'd be ready to fucking end that man's career and possibly his life for doing what he did, right? Take the Oscar back from him. Cancel him. Never invite him back to the academy. Stop watching his movies. Boycott Will Smith. Or boycott this person I don't like because he did something I don't like. Tell me I'm wrong, bro. Tell me I'm wrong. It was.. It was a weird moment, man. It was weird.

[00:29:06] I mean, unfortunately, I didn't, like, write down what I wanted to say before I started recording this because I just wanted to express myself naturally about the subject and kind of just let my.. Let my mind kind of wander in and out of this subject because there's so many different things to talk about, so many different things to consider. And at the end of the day, it's just a question of opinion, right? Like you may think that Chris Rock was wrong and he got what he deserved. You may think he was right and it was no big deal. And the same thing about Will Smith. We're just talking about opinion here, right?

[00:29:36] But I don't know. I don't know, man. I'm trying to look back at these points like, was he out of line? Maybe. Can you talk about people's illnesses? I think so. But again, I have a very dark sense of humor, you know what I'm saying? So I know a lot of people, especially these days, are extremely sensitive. And, you know, they think there are certain things you can't joke about. Was it the right place or time? Probably not, because it wasn't a comedy show. You know, it was the Oscars. Maybe he shouldn't have made that joke. I can agree with that.

[00:30:08] But was.. Was it violence? Was what Chris Rock said, a form of psychological violence or something like that? I don't think so, because for somebody to say that that joke was a form of violence, if you believe that, I just think you don't know what real violence actually is. Maybe you've never experienced real violence. Like, I've experienced real violence. You know what I'm saying? I've experienced violence done to me and I've been violent towards somebody else. And saying that your wife is bald, she looks like G.I. Jane is not violent in any way, shape, or form. Now, words can incite violence for sure. But violence? I think that's a step.. I think that's a slight exaggeration of what happened, but that's just my opinion.

[00:30:51] And again, if you believe in free speech, then you have to accept the fact that people are going to say things that you don't want to hear. People are going to say things that you don't like. You're going to be disrespected verbally. And that's just life, bro. Nobody gives a fuck about your feelings the same way you don't give a fuck about everyone's feelings. It's impossible to take everyone's thoughts and feelings and experiences into consideration every time you have something to say. It's ridiculous. It's fucking ridiculous. It's childish. Whatever your political affiliation, whoever you are a fan of, it doesn't matter, bro. It doesn't matter. Take your favorite person out of the situation and then ask yourself, "right or wrong?" You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't know. It was fucking weird.

[00:31:41] It's just weird to me how people will get a pass just because you like them. But if it was somebody else, it would be unacceptable. That's.. That's weird to me. It's weird to me that people think it's okay to get violent, physically violent just because somebody says something you don't like. It's weird to me that people expect the entire world to change the way that they behave, the way that they speak, the way that they interact, because they are uncomfortable. It's like you expect the world to bend to your reality and consider your thoughts and feelings. Because they're your thoughts and feelings. But nobody's responsible for your thoughts or feelings except you.

[00:32:26] Now, I'm not saying you should just be mean, you should just make hurtful jokes, it's okay to disrespect people. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying you're free to say whatever you want and nobody should have the ability to stop you from doing that. That's one of the greatest things about.. I'm speaking about the U.S. now. That's one of the greatest things about this country, is you can say whatever you want. You can say, "Fuck the president." and nothing will happen. That's the way it should be. You should be able to say whatever you want. That's just what I think. You know? So... I feel like at this point I'm going to start being redundant and repetitive because again, I didn't write what I thought first. I'm not reading a script or anything like that so I can feel I'm going to start going in circles and just keep saying the same thing. So I think I'll stop it there.

[00:33:13] And at the end of the day, none of us will ever really know what really happened or the motivation for what took place. And more importantly, we'll never know why it happened. I guess that's kind of the same thing. We'll never know what actually happened and we'll never know why it happened because all we know is what we saw on television. None of us know any of these people personally and frankly, I don't give a fuck about two celebrities fighting on TV. Now, I know that sounds contradictory and maybe a little hypocritical when you consider the fact that I did an entire podcast episode about them. But my interest is simply in the actions that were taken and not the people that took them.

[00:33:44] Because let's be honest, if you saw the same scenario between two guys in a grocery store or at the park, you'd probably tell your friends about it when you got home, right? You might record it and post it on social media and be like, "Oh, that's fucking crazy! Look at this!" But after a few days, you'd probably never talk about it again. And you certainly wouldn't be talking about it as if you knew those people personally, the way people are doing with Will, Jada, and Chris. Right? But anyway, I want to end this episode with another video clip, and I want you to tell me if there's a difference between what happened at the Oscars and what happened in this clip right here.

Will Smith: [00:34:21] Man, Arsenio, they got rules. They got rules. Like, he has a rule. The bass player, he got a rule. He's got to wax his head every morning. That's a rule. He follows the rules, man. He follows the rules.

Will Smith: [00:34:33] Oh, these are jokes! Come on!

Arsenio Hall: [00:34:37] See, you go too into the characters and got hurt.

[END OF EPISODE]

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Tony Kaizen: [00:00:00] All right y'all. Most of us know about the Oscars and the significance of this event. It's when a bunch of rich and famous people and all their publicists get all dressed up to go suck each other's dicks for a couple of hours, narcissistically, telling themselves how wonderful they are. So I'm not going to waste any time talking about the Oscars or the so-called prestige of this event.

[00:00:18] Let's get right into the real reason we're here, and that's to talk about what happened between Chris Rock and Will Smith at the Oscars. Now, Will Smith slapped the absolute shit out of Chris Rock after he made a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith. This moment, for better or for worse, is the topic of everyone's discussions right now, and it's ironically the topic of this podcast episode. Now, I highly recommend you watch this episode on YouTube to get the complete experience, because I'm going to be showing pictures and videos, and I think it might be a little confusing at times if you can't see what I'm talking about. So if you can go to YouTube.com/lifeinenglish to watch the full episode.

[00:00:56] But now let's take a look at what actually happened, or at least what we saw on TV. Chris Rock was making jokes about some of the actors in the crowd, like Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz. And then he made a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith and the fact that she's now bald because of a disease called alopecia. So let's take a look at that clip real quick.

Chris Rock: [00:01:16] You know who's got the hardest job tonight? Javier Bardem and his wife are both nominated. Now, if she loses, he can't win. He is praying that Will Smith wins. Like, please, Lord!

[00:01:36] Jada, I love you. G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it. All right.

[00:01:42] It's just.. That was a nice one! Ok. I'm out here.. Uh oh, Richard.

[00:01:51] [Will Smith slaps Chris Rock] Oh, wow. Wow.

Chris Rock: [00:02:00] Will Smith just smacked the shit out of me.

Will Smith: [00:02:04] Keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth.

Chris Rock: [00:02:09] Wow, dude.

Will Smith: [00:02:10] Yes.

Chris Rock: [00:02:11] It was a G.I. Jane joke.

Will Smith: [00:02:13] Keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth.

Chris Rock: [00:02:18] I'm going to, ok? Ok, woah, ok. That was uh.. Greatest night in the history of television. Ok. Ok.

Tony Kaizen: [00:02:32] All right. So before we go any further, let me explain what alopecia is, just in case you're not familiar with this disease. Alopecia areata, also known as spot baldness, is a condition in which hair is lost from some or all areas of the body. Often it results in a few bald spots on the scalp, each about the size of a coin. Psychological stress and illness are possible factors in bringing on alopecia in individuals at risk, but in most cases, there's no obvious trigger. People are generally otherwise healthy. In a few cases, all the hair on the scalp is lost or all body hair is lost and can be permanent. So as you can see, the only real symptom of this disease is partial or in some cases, complete loss of hair, typically on the head and face. Now, what does that have to do with the joke that Chris Rock told? Well, let's hear that joke one more time.

Chris Rock: [00:03:24] Jada, I love you. G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it. All right.

Tony Kaizen: [00:03:30] So you might be asking yourself who or what is G.I. Jane? Well, G.I. Joe is a fictional character that was created to represent members of the U.S. armed forces. It started out as an action figure and turned into various movies and this entire media franchise. Now, G.I. Jane is a movie that came out back in 1997 about a woman who joins the U.S. Navy during a time when most people believe that women shouldn't join the military because they're too weak and passive and feminine and all that stuff.

[00:04:01] So if you're watching this on YouTube, you can see that the woman in the movie G.I. Jane ended up shaving her head to look like the rest of the men in the military. And that's why Chris jokingly said he couldn't wait to see Jada in G.I. Jane 2. And of course, we know what happened after he made the joke. So now I'd really just like to share my opinion with you. But before I do that, let's summarize the main talking points that we've surely heard by now.

[00:04:26] Here are some main arguments against Chris Rock, people that think that Chris Rock was wrong, right? People say that Chris Rock was out of line because you can't joke about people's illnesses. They say that it was the wrong place and time for the joke. Right? They say that or I can't say 'they'. But we were talking about this in the community the other day, and one of our members said that what Chris Rock said was a form of violence... A form of violence. And some people also say that, you know, he had.. How can I say that? Some people say that they believe in free speech, but only if it's not mean or hurtful speech. Like, hate speech is not included in free speech. Mean or disrespectful words are not included in free speech. And therefore what he said was not okay. He did not have the right to say that. Right?

[00:05:14] Now, people who support Will Smith or think that he was in the right say things like Will Smith was defending his wife's honor. Right? Because Chris Rock attacked his wife. So he was defending his wife in some way. Other people say that sometimes it's hard to think twice before you act. So even if what Will Smith did was wrong, you can excuse him for it. Because in the heat of the moment, you know, he didn't think twice about his actions and he just reacted, right? Other people say, "If it were me or if I were Will Smith, I would have done the same thing!" You know? Or, "If I had to choose a side between Will Smith and Chris Rock, I choose Will Smith because Chris Rock was out of line. He disrespected Will Smith's wife. And therefore, if I had to choose, I would side with Will Smith."

[00:06:00] Now I want to make a disclaimer. I want to make it clear that I have no intention of judging anyone involved in this situation nor anyone who has an opinion that opposes mine. I simply like to talk about the actions that were taken and not the people themselves, because although I don't know these people, it's an opportunity for us to have a conversation about important topics like what's right and what's wrong, responsibility, free speech, respect? And manhood. Right. So without further adieu, let me tell you what I think.

[00:06:30] So let's take it all the way back to the beginning, right? Chris Rock told this joke about Jada Pinkett Smith's appearance, and a lot of people would say it was completely uncalled-for. It was disrespectful. It was the wrong place in time. And on some level, I could agree with that. Like, me personally, I have a very, very, very dark sense of humor. Like, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing that cannot be joked about. Because at the end of the day, a joke is meant to make light of a situation. You see what I'm saying? So when you joke about something, you're basically saying, like, "This is reality, and here's the bright side of it." That's really the idea of a joke, especially when you're joking about something dark or negative or sensitive or something like that. You're making light of the situation.

[00:07:18] Now, people will say that this is the Oscars. This is not a comedy show, right? We understand that comedians make light of situations and we understand that if a comedian is in the room, nobody is safe, right? If you look funny, you're going to get made fun of if you say something stupid, you're going to get made fun of. It could be anybody in the room. But this is the Oscars. This is not a comedy show. And for him to single out Jada Pinkett Smith specifically was uncalled for. It was unnecessary. And I can agree with that. But at the same time, it was a joke, bro. It was a joke. He didn't say, "Hey, bitch, you look ugly. Look at your bald head. HA HA!" He said, "G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it." Because you look like the lady from fucking G.I. Jane, bro.

[00:07:58] So some people say it was the wrong place, wrong time. He was out of line. He got what he deserved. You know, he should have been slapped in the face, you know? And it's fine if you have that opinion. I just think that, you know, there was nothing wrong with the joke. But that's a question of opinion, right? I just.. He could have said something much, much, much worse about her appearance. But I think it was a light-hearted joke. But it's just a question of opinion, you know what I'm saying? But when you think about the reaction, what happened next.. If we watch the video again, you saw that most people in the room laughed. Some people were like, "Well, that's kind of fucked up." But Will Smith himself, his first reaction was to laugh. It was like, ha ha, like a light-hearted joke. We get it. Then he looks at his wife, she's not feeling it, and then he changes his reaction. He said, "No, now it's time to be big and tough and I got to defend my wife. I'm going to do something." And he walks up on stage on live TV and slaps the shit out of this man. And the justification is you disrespected my wife.

[00:08:58] Now, you know, I guess depending on how you look at it, you could say he was protecting his wife. But the question is protecting from what? A joke? Another man's words? You know what I'm saying? Like, what exactly was he protecting her from? Where was the actual danger in the situation? You see what I'm saying?

[00:09:19] Like, some people will say, "Oh, well, in the heat of the moment, you know, he got triggered. It's hard to think twice. And he just.. He just acted. So we can't really judge him or hold him accountable for that. And if it were me, I would have done the same thing. If somebody makes a joke about my wife's appearance or somebody's talking shit, I slap the shit out of them too." But would you really? Would you really?

[00:09:41] Like, let's be honest, if Dwayne Johnson, The Rock, or Brock Lesnar or Francis Ngannou was up on stage and your wife has alopecia and she's sitting next to you, and he says, "G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it. Ha, ha." Are you really going to get up on stage and slap the taste out of one of these men's mouths? Come on, bro. Like, let's be serious. You would not do the same thing. Maybe if it was a person that was smaller than you that you weren't afraid of, that you felt that you could take in a fight. You might do something like that. But let's be honest, bro. If it was somebody that could beat the shit out of you, and he made a joke about your wife's appearance. Would you get up on stage and slap the shit out of his face? I doubt it. I don't know, but I doubt it.

[00:10:24] But let's get to the real root of the situation here because you're saying.. What you're telling me.. For people that.. We can already agree that what Chris Rock said was unnecessary. Now, whether you think the joke was inappropriate or disrespectful or whatever, that's a question of opinion. I don't think it was. It was just a fucking joke. But I remember that my sense of humor is extremely dark and I am nowhere near as sensitive as most people these days. So I'm taking that into consideration. I get it. But if we talk about what actually happened, this man made a joke. He said something. And Will Smith's reaction was to get physically violent, to slap him in the face.

Tony Kaizen: [00:11:00] If you're saying that was justifiable and he was protecting his wife, what I hear you saying is anytime somebody says something that you don't like or any time you feel disrespected by somebody's words, it is completely fine to slap the shit out of them. Or to beat they ass. That's really what you're saying here, that it's totally justifiable. Any time somebody says something that you don't like, beat the shit out of them or cancel them or whatever it is. You know, "If I had to choose sides, I would choose Will's side." But, like, bruh...

[00:11:32] There's so many things here. Like, first of all, he laughs first, and then changed his reaction and got up there and slapped him. And he didn't even, like.. The way he went about it..And this is just my opinion, again, but it was just such a bitch move to me, bruh, to get up on stage and slap that man. And first of all, he sucker slapped him, you know, because.. That's really not even a term. But the term sucker punch.. To sucker punch someone means to punch somebody when they're not expecting it. So if you watch the clip again, you'll see where Smith walked up, and looked down for a second, and then he slapped them out of nowhere. It was a surprise. Nobody knew that the slap was actually coming. And that's what it means to sucker somebody, to sucker punch somebody.. Is they're not expecting it, everything is cool, and all of a sudden, bam, you punch them.

[00:12:17] And you might have your own opinion about that, but that's just a bitch move. That's a coward's move. If we're going to fight, if there's going to be a confrontation, you're walking up to this person, there's no hesitation, there's no talking. You punch them, and then you stand there, and we're going to fight now. You don't slap a man like a woman, like a little bitch, and then turn around and walk away. Run away. He walked, but turn around and run away. You know what I'm saying? That's just a bitch move, bro. That's a bitch move. If you.. If it's really a problem and you're going to slap a man in his mouth, then you stand there and wait for his retaliation. We're going to fight now. That's just my opinion.

[00:12:52] And ladies, I don't expect you guys to understand this one. But as a man, one of the things that's most important to us is respect. And to slap a man with an open hand... It's just one of the highest forms of disrespect that you can demonstrate towards another man. You just.. You just don't do that. You see what I'm saying? Like, to slap a man with an open hand is basically communicating you think he's a bitch. He's less than a man. That's what you do with a woman. Now, ladies, no disrespect. I'm not saying that you should hit women. I'm not saying that you slap women. I don't condone that behavior. So, like, please don't come at me with that bullshit. Just follow me and try to understand my point.

[00:13:30] You slap a man with an open hand. That's what you do to a bitch. You're saying he's a bitch? Right. You just don't do that. You don't do it, especially in the context of that situation, bruh. Like, I mean, let's put it this way. You're saying Chris Rock disrespected.. Excuse me, one second. You're saying Chris Rock disrespected Will Smith's wife with this joke, and therefore it's justifiable for him to defend his wife's honor and get up there and punch him in the mouth. Right? Both were kind of wrong in the situation. But we can understand Will Smith's side because he was protecting his wife.

[00:14:08] But let me ask you this question. For those of you that are of the opinion that Will Smith was justified. Let's switch it for just a second. Imagine we're at a presidential inauguration or some formal event and Barack Obama is up on stage and Donald Trump's wife has alopecia. She's bald and he says "G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it."

[00:14:31] Or even more accurate, he makes a joke about his wife's citizenship or her accent when she's speaking English or something like that. Would it be justifiable if Donald Trump got up on stage and slapped the shit out of Barack Obama? Would that be okay? Would that be justifiable? Of course not. You'd be ready to castrate that man. Bury him under the fucking jail. This racist.. And he did it because he was black. Donald Trump slapped him because he was black. And he's a racist piece of shit. And, oh, it was just a joke, bro. You can't take a joke? What, your fucking ego is too weak, Donald Trump? You're a bitch. It was just a joke. Relax, man.

[00:15:08] Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that wouldn't be the majority of people's reaction. Like, come on, bro, let's be real for a second. Like, just because you're a fan of this person doesn't mean that they can do no wrong. You know what I'm saying? Like, and again, I don't know or give a fuck about Will Smith, Chris Rock, Jada Pinkett. We're talking about the actions that were taken. Right? So if we switch it.. Those same actions with different people, would it be the same? I just don't think so. I don't think so.

[00:15:35] Because going back to the joke that was made, you're saying it's not okay to joke about people's illnesses, which it certainly is, in my opinion. There's nothing that cannot be joked about. Now, if she was lying on her deathbed and he was making jokes like, "Ha, ha, you're about to die." Like that's.. That's a little too much. I can agree with that, you know? But I just don't think. The joke was inappropriate or too much or disrespectful in any way. It was a good joke, but that's just my opinion.

[00:16:00] But if it's not okay for us to joke about people's appearance, if it's not okay for us to joke about people's illness or what they look like, how they sound, whatever, it's not okay to make jokes at other people's expense. Why is it then okay, nobody says shit, nobody's upset or angry in any way when we joke about somebody like Donald Trump? "Hey, orange man. Hey, orange face. Hey, yellow hair, toupee man, you ugly motherfucker, you piece of shit." That's totally fine.

[00:16:25] It's totally fine to joke about his wife's citizenship or her accent or the fact that she worked here as a model with no visa or whatever. That's totally fine. Why? Because you don't like him. Because you don't respect him. That's the only reason that it's okay. But if it's somebody you like, if it's somebody you support, if it's a woman, if it's a black man, if it's a gay man, if it's a transsexual, then it's not okay.

[00:16:50] I call bullshit, bro. That's very.. It's extremely hypocritical. Right or wrong.. Whatever happened, whether you think it's right or wrong, that's hypocritical, I think. You know? And it's like we just have to understand, like, this is.. If we're talking we're taking the context of the situation into consideration, this is the Oscars, this prestigious event. Most of us know Will Smith is going to win the award. And the moment, I mean, like, this is his first Oscar, if I'm not mistaken. And, like, a 20-year career in acting. He should have been won an Oscar a long time ago, but he finally wins. And that moment is overshadowed by the fact that he couldn't control himself in the moment because somebody made a joke about his wife. I don't know. You might say, like, "If I was him, I'd do the same thing. Somebody disrespects me and makes a joke about me or my wife. We're going to fight or I'm going to slap the shit out of you or whatever."

[00:17:43] It's a question of opinion, man. But I just think. As a man or a woman, as an adult, as an evolved, educated human being, You understand that words are just words. They're just words. Like, who gives a fuck what people got to say, bro, who gives a fuck? If somebody makes a joke about your appearance or your job or your weight or your height or your whatever. Who gives a shit? If you can't take a joke all that means is you cannot accept reality. In my opinion, that's all that means, because the joke is just making light of reality. We're.. Maybe it's a terrible reality, maybe it's a dark reality, but we're making light of that situation. We're laughing at it. We're saying this is the case, but let's try to make light of it. Let's laugh about it because at the end of the day, this is reality. We cannot change or bend or alter reality just because we don't like it. So let's laugh about it. If we can't laugh about it, what else do we have? If we can't say what we're really thinking, what else do we have? Right?

[00:18:45] Because that's all you're saying. In that moment. it was just words. It was just a joke. I made a joke about your wife's appearance. So when you can't take that and you decide, like, I'm feeling triggered. I'm feeling angry. After you laughed about it.. Immediately after you laughed about the joke, you then change your mind, and then you want to play the tough guy and go physically assault this man. All you've shown the entire world is that all I have to do to get you out of your element, all I have to do to get you acting like a little bitch, like a coward, is just, pow, just flick you. Just say a couple of words and I can get you to throw your career away. I can get you to physically assault me and possibly go to jail. And spend who knows how much money on some type of lawsuit if I press charges and all this shit. That's all you've shown me, is how fucking small you are. Because all I had to do was say, "Ha, your wife's bald." and you're ready to fight. You's a bitch. You are a bitch, bro. You're weak. I'm not saying that in a judgmental way. I'm not saying that I'm better or worse than anybody else. It's just my opinion. That's weak as fuck.

[00:19:52] Like, if you're offended by somebody else's words to the point where you want to physically hurt them or cancel them or get them fired or whatever it is, it's most likely because your parents did a poor job of raising you. Your parents didn't teach you how the world actually works. Your parents didn't teach you how life actually works. Because a lot of people would say, like, we were talking about this in the community on Discord the other day, and one of our members said, or I asked everyone in the group, "Do you guys believe in freedom of speech? Do you think that Chris had the right to say what he said? Do you believe that anybody has the right to say anything negative or positive, hurtful or helpful? Do you believe in that?"

[00:20:29] And one of our members said, "Yeah, but only if what the person is saying is not mean or hurtful or disrespectful. I don't think that they should have the ability or the platform or the stage to say those things." And if that's what you believe, that's totally fine. I mean, it's just a question of opinion, I guess. But what you're saying, what you're communicating is, "I believe in free speech, but only if. What the person is saying is something I like or want to hear."

Tony Kaizen: [00:20:57] And that's not free speech. You cannot say, "I believe in free speech, but". There is no 'but'.. There's. That's the end of the sentence. I believe in free speech. Because free, freedom, the idea is no restrictions, no limits, no barriers. Do whatever you want, say whatever you want. So as soon as you say 'but', the speech is no longer free. And the problem here is you are arbitrarily putting limits on someone else's ability to express themselves freely. And the problem with that is life just doesn't work like that. The world is not going to stop and consider your thoughts or feelings or experiences every time they have something to say. That's just not the way the world works.

[00:21:39] Because you, expressing your opinion, saying that he's wrong, saying that he deserved it, saying he's a piece of shit or talking shit about somebody like Donald Trump. And I've said his name a few times. I keep using that example. I'm not like, "Yeah, go for Donald Trump, support him." I don't give a fuck about none of that. I'm not a Trump supporter or Obama supporter. I don't.. I have no political affiliation. I don't give a fuck about any of that. It's just.. That is a public figure that is.. And it's totally fine to disrespect and degrade him, but not people that we like and respect. And I just think that's hypocritical. So I just wanted to make that clear, but it's like... I lost my train of thought. What was I saying? Ah, yeah. Free speech.

[00:22:22] Free speech, you can't say, "I believe that everyone has the right to express themselves, but only if they're saying something I like or appreciate or agree with." That's not how free speech works. And people died. People gave their lives so that you could sit up here and express your thoughts or opinions. So for you to turn around and say that somebody else can't just because you don't like what they have to say is childish and hypocritical, I think.

[00:22:47] Because if you don't like what somebody has to say, you don't have to listen. You can always get up and fucking leave. Right? And how is it that you feel justified to say that you disagree? But he doesn't have the right or she doesn't have the right to say what they want to say? It doesn't make sense to me. Hate speech is free speech. Disrespectful speech is free speech. Hurtful speech is free speech. You don't have to like it or accept it, but that's what it is. Because think about it, if you're saying that we can only say things that are not hurtful, disrespectful, controversial, we can only say things that won't hurt other people's feelings, we need to consider everyone's thoughts, feelings and experiences before we open our mouths, how the fuck are we going to speak about anything? We can't. Jordan Peterson said it best. In order to be able to think, you have to be able to risk being offensive to somebody.

Tony Kaizen: [00:23:44] It's impossible to take.. Imagine we have a black person, a white person, a woman, a man, a gay person, a transsexual, a Latino, an Asian an African, all in the same room and I have something to say. You're telling me I need to stop, think and consider all of these people from all of these different walks of life and make sure I'm not going to say anything that will hurt any of their feelings? That's childish, bro. It's ridiculous. It's like you're really.. You just don't understand how life works. And you're totally fine.. It's just hypocritical because you're totally fine saying what you have to say or making jokes about things that you think are funny or expressing your opinion about certain things. And I highly doubt that you're taking the world into consideration every time you express yourself, and that's the way it should be. You shouldn't take the entire world into consideration. Right? It's ridiculous, bro. It's ridiculous.

[00:24:35] I am not responsible for your feelings about what I said. I'm responsible for what I say. That's it. Now, if there's a reaction to what I say, then I just have to deal with that. But to say that I'm responsible for how you feel about what I say is fucking childish. It's childish. I don't know what else to say about that. Like, if you can't understand that concept, I don't really know what else to say. You can't say "I believe in freedom of speech, but. And it's impossible to take everyone into consideration before you speak because then nobody would speak.

[00:25:10] And even if you do try to put those limits on someone else's speech, you think they're going to stop thinking what they think? Of course not. They're just not going to say it, but they keep thinking it. They're going to talk about it behind closed doors, which just makes it harder for us to communicate and for us to understand each other and to work together. Because now I smile and I say these nice things, but as soon as I shut the door and I'm with my friends, I'm saying something completely different. That's called 'politics'. That's politics. And we hate fucking politicians. Why? Because they say one thing and they do another. They say one thing and they believe another. We hate that shit. And you're asking everyone to be a fucking politician when you say "Only say things that are acceptable by everyone, only say things that will hurt no one's feelings." That's fucking crazy, bro.

[00:25:59] That is fucking ridiculous to say that if somebody says something that you don't like p.hysically assault them, beat the shit out of them, slap them if you feel disrespected, get physical. If you feel disrespected, try to get them fired. Try to ruin their lives because they hurt your feelings. It's childish. That's childish because if we go back to the moment at the Oscars, I mean, this great legendary American actor, Will Smith, his crowning achievement, he finally wins the Oscar. This is his moment. This is his night. Finally, he gets the award. And somebody makes a joke about his wife's appearance.

[00:26:35] In that moment, again, you know, it's hard to say what should have been done because it's a question of opinion. But in that moment you're saying, ok, you got disrespected. Somebody says something he didn't like. Why not sit there, grab your wife's hand, look at her and understand, we know who we are. So who gives a fuck with somebody else has to say about us or the way we look or what we do? I know who I am. She knows who she is. We know who we are. So there's nothing that you can tell me that's going to make me feel or think differently about myself. I know who I am. Because guess what? She is bald. Guess what? She does look like fucking G.I. Jane. She does, that's just the truth.

[00:27:18] Now, you might say, "Ok, but you don't have to say that." And I agree, it was unnecessary. He didn't need to say that. He didn't need to single her out and comment on her appearance. Sure, bro. But why not just.. If it was so horrible what he said, if it was so disrespectful and just horrific what he said. Why not just sit there and let the room feel that? He makes this joke, why not just sit there? Why do you need to react? Let the room feel that and let him sit in that disgusting thing he just said. The embarrassment alone is enough punishment for him. And you maintain your dignity and your self-respect by showing everyone. Yeah, he said that. But so fucking what? I'm tall, dark, handsome, rich, famous. I got a beautiful wife. We're both successful entertainers. I'm about to win an Oscar tonight. I don't give a fuck what you got to say. To me. That's the way you handle that situation. Somebody who respects themselves and knows who they are and is not affected by the fucking petty little comments that people make. That's how you handle that situation. This is my opinion, you know, so I just think it's weird.

[00:28:26] Of course, everyone has their own opinion, but it's just weird to me how people pick and choose and change the definition of right and wrong depending on who we're talking about. Because if it was somebody that you didn't like or respect, you'd be ready to fucking end that man's career and possibly his life for doing what he did, right? Take the Oscar back from him. Cancel him. Never invite him back to the academy. Stop watching his movies. Boycott Will Smith. Or boycott this person I don't like because he did something I don't like. Tell me I'm wrong, bro. Tell me I'm wrong. It was.. It was a weird moment, man. It was weird.

[00:29:06] I mean, unfortunately, I didn't, like, write down what I wanted to say before I started recording this because I just wanted to express myself naturally about the subject and kind of just let my.. Let my mind kind of wander in and out of this subject because there's so many different things to talk about, so many different things to consider. And at the end of the day, it's just a question of opinion, right? Like you may think that Chris Rock was wrong and he got what he deserved. You may think he was right and it was no big deal. And the same thing about Will Smith. We're just talking about opinion here, right?

[00:29:36] But I don't know. I don't know, man. I'm trying to look back at these points like, was he out of line? Maybe. Can you talk about people's illnesses? I think so. But again, I have a very dark sense of humor, you know what I'm saying? So I know a lot of people, especially these days, are extremely sensitive. And, you know, they think there are certain things you can't joke about. Was it the right place or time? Probably not, because it wasn't a comedy show. You know, it was the Oscars. Maybe he shouldn't have made that joke. I can agree with that.

[00:30:08] But was.. Was it violence? Was what Chris Rock said, a form of psychological violence or something like that? I don't think so, because for somebody to say that that joke was a form of violence, if you believe that, I just think you don't know what real violence actually is. Maybe you've never experienced real violence. Like, I've experienced real violence. You know what I'm saying? I've experienced violence done to me and I've been violent towards somebody else. And saying that your wife is bald, she looks like G.I. Jane is not violent in any way, shape, or form. Now, words can incite violence for sure. But violence? I think that's a step.. I think that's a slight exaggeration of what happened, but that's just my opinion.

[00:30:51] And again, if you believe in free speech, then you have to accept the fact that people are going to say things that you don't want to hear. People are going to say things that you don't like. You're going to be disrespected verbally. And that's just life, bro. Nobody gives a fuck about your feelings the same way you don't give a fuck about everyone's feelings. It's impossible to take everyone's thoughts and feelings and experiences into consideration every time you have something to say. It's ridiculous. It's fucking ridiculous. It's childish. Whatever your political affiliation, whoever you are a fan of, it doesn't matter, bro. It doesn't matter. Take your favorite person out of the situation and then ask yourself, "right or wrong?" You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't know. It was fucking weird.

[00:31:41] It's just weird to me how people will get a pass just because you like them. But if it was somebody else, it would be unacceptable. That's.. That's weird to me. It's weird to me that people think it's okay to get violent, physically violent just because somebody says something you don't like. It's weird to me that people expect the entire world to change the way that they behave, the way that they speak, the way that they interact, because they are uncomfortable. It's like you expect the world to bend to your reality and consider your thoughts and feelings. Because they're your thoughts and feelings. But nobody's responsible for your thoughts or feelings except you.

[00:32:26] Now, I'm not saying you should just be mean, you should just make hurtful jokes, it's okay to disrespect people. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying you're free to say whatever you want and nobody should have the ability to stop you from doing that. That's one of the greatest things about.. I'm speaking about the U.S. now. That's one of the greatest things about this country, is you can say whatever you want. You can say, "Fuck the president." and nothing will happen. That's the way it should be. You should be able to say whatever you want. That's just what I think. You know? So... I feel like at this point I'm going to start being redundant and repetitive because again, I didn't write what I thought first. I'm not reading a script or anything like that so I can feel I'm going to start going in circles and just keep saying the same thing. So I think I'll stop it there.

[00:33:13] And at the end of the day, none of us will ever really know what really happened or the motivation for what took place. And more importantly, we'll never know why it happened. I guess that's kind of the same thing. We'll never know what actually happened and we'll never know why it happened because all we know is what we saw on television. None of us know any of these people personally and frankly, I don't give a fuck about two celebrities fighting on TV. Now, I know that sounds contradictory and maybe a little hypocritical when you consider the fact that I did an entire podcast episode about them. But my interest is simply in the actions that were taken and not the people that took them.

[00:33:44] Because let's be honest, if you saw the same scenario between two guys in a grocery store or at the park, you'd probably tell your friends about it when you got home, right? You might record it and post it on social media and be like, "Oh, that's fucking crazy! Look at this!" But after a few days, you'd probably never talk about it again. And you certainly wouldn't be talking about it as if you knew those people personally, the way people are doing with Will, Jada, and Chris. Right? But anyway, I want to end this episode with another video clip, and I want you to tell me if there's a difference between what happened at the Oscars and what happened in this clip right here.

Will Smith: [00:34:21] Man, Arsenio, they got rules. They got rules. Like, he has a rule. The bass player, he got a rule. He's got to wax his head every morning. That's a rule. He follows the rules, man. He follows the rules.

Will Smith: [00:34:33] Oh, these are jokes! Come on!

Arsenio Hall: [00:34:37] See, you go too into the characters and got hurt.

[END OF EPISODE]

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Tony Kaizen: [00:00:00] All right y'all. Most of us know about the Oscars and the significance of this event. It's when a bunch of rich and famous people and all their publicists get all dressed up to go suck each other's dicks for a couple of hours, narcissistically, telling themselves how wonderful they are. So I'm not going to waste any time talking about the Oscars or the so-called prestige of this event.

[00:00:18] Let's get right into the real reason we're here, and that's to talk about what happened between Chris Rock and Will Smith at the Oscars. Now, Will Smith slapped the absolute shit out of Chris Rock after he made a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith. This moment, for better or for worse, is the topic of everyone's discussions right now, and it's ironically the topic of this podcast episode. Now, I highly recommend you watch this episode on YouTube to get the complete experience, because I'm going to be showing pictures and videos, and I think it might be a little confusing at times if you can't see what I'm talking about. So if you can go to YouTube.com/lifeinenglish to watch the full episode.

[00:00:56] But now let's take a look at what actually happened, or at least what we saw on TV. Chris Rock was making jokes about some of the actors in the crowd, like Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz. And then he made a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith and the fact that she's now bald because of a disease called alopecia. So let's take a look at that clip real quick.

Chris Rock: [00:01:16] You know who's got the hardest job tonight? Javier Bardem and his wife are both nominated. Now, if she loses, he can't win. He is praying that Will Smith wins. Like, please, Lord!

[00:01:36] Jada, I love you. G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it. All right.

[00:01:42] It's just.. That was a nice one! Ok. I'm out here.. Uh oh, Richard.

[00:01:51] [Will Smith slaps Chris Rock] Oh, wow. Wow.

Chris Rock: [00:02:00] Will Smith just smacked the shit out of me.

Will Smith: [00:02:04] Keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth.

Chris Rock: [00:02:09] Wow, dude.

Will Smith: [00:02:10] Yes.

Chris Rock: [00:02:11] It was a G.I. Jane joke.

Will Smith: [00:02:13] Keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth.

Chris Rock: [00:02:18] I'm going to, ok? Ok, woah, ok. That was uh.. Greatest night in the history of television. Ok. Ok.

Tony Kaizen: [00:02:32] All right. So before we go any further, let me explain what alopecia is, just in case you're not familiar with this disease. Alopecia areata, also known as spot baldness, is a condition in which hair is lost from some or all areas of the body. Often it results in a few bald spots on the scalp, each about the size of a coin. Psychological stress and illness are possible factors in bringing on alopecia in individuals at risk, but in most cases, there's no obvious trigger. People are generally otherwise healthy. In a few cases, all the hair on the scalp is lost or all body hair is lost and can be permanent. So as you can see, the only real symptom of this disease is partial or in some cases, complete loss of hair, typically on the head and face. Now, what does that have to do with the joke that Chris Rock told? Well, let's hear that joke one more time.

Chris Rock: [00:03:24] Jada, I love you. G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it. All right.

Tony Kaizen: [00:03:30] So you might be asking yourself who or what is G.I. Jane? Well, G.I. Joe is a fictional character that was created to represent members of the U.S. armed forces. It started out as an action figure and turned into various movies and this entire media franchise. Now, G.I. Jane is a movie that came out back in 1997 about a woman who joins the U.S. Navy during a time when most people believe that women shouldn't join the military because they're too weak and passive and feminine and all that stuff.

[00:04:01] So if you're watching this on YouTube, you can see that the woman in the movie G.I. Jane ended up shaving her head to look like the rest of the men in the military. And that's why Chris jokingly said he couldn't wait to see Jada in G.I. Jane 2. And of course, we know what happened after he made the joke. So now I'd really just like to share my opinion with you. But before I do that, let's summarize the main talking points that we've surely heard by now.

[00:04:26] Here are some main arguments against Chris Rock, people that think that Chris Rock was wrong, right? People say that Chris Rock was out of line because you can't joke about people's illnesses. They say that it was the wrong place and time for the joke. Right? They say that or I can't say 'they'. But we were talking about this in the community the other day, and one of our members said that what Chris Rock said was a form of violence... A form of violence. And some people also say that, you know, he had.. How can I say that? Some people say that they believe in free speech, but only if it's not mean or hurtful speech. Like, hate speech is not included in free speech. Mean or disrespectful words are not included in free speech. And therefore what he said was not okay. He did not have the right to say that. Right?

[00:05:14] Now, people who support Will Smith or think that he was in the right say things like Will Smith was defending his wife's honor. Right? Because Chris Rock attacked his wife. So he was defending his wife in some way. Other people say that sometimes it's hard to think twice before you act. So even if what Will Smith did was wrong, you can excuse him for it. Because in the heat of the moment, you know, he didn't think twice about his actions and he just reacted, right? Other people say, "If it were me or if I were Will Smith, I would have done the same thing!" You know? Or, "If I had to choose a side between Will Smith and Chris Rock, I choose Will Smith because Chris Rock was out of line. He disrespected Will Smith's wife. And therefore, if I had to choose, I would side with Will Smith."

[00:06:00] Now I want to make a disclaimer. I want to make it clear that I have no intention of judging anyone involved in this situation nor anyone who has an opinion that opposes mine. I simply like to talk about the actions that were taken and not the people themselves, because although I don't know these people, it's an opportunity for us to have a conversation about important topics like what's right and what's wrong, responsibility, free speech, respect? And manhood. Right. So without further adieu, let me tell you what I think.

[00:06:30] So let's take it all the way back to the beginning, right? Chris Rock told this joke about Jada Pinkett Smith's appearance, and a lot of people would say it was completely uncalled-for. It was disrespectful. It was the wrong place in time. And on some level, I could agree with that. Like, me personally, I have a very, very, very dark sense of humor. Like, in my opinion, there's absolutely nothing that cannot be joked about. Because at the end of the day, a joke is meant to make light of a situation. You see what I'm saying? So when you joke about something, you're basically saying, like, "This is reality, and here's the bright side of it." That's really the idea of a joke, especially when you're joking about something dark or negative or sensitive or something like that. You're making light of the situation.

[00:07:18] Now, people will say that this is the Oscars. This is not a comedy show, right? We understand that comedians make light of situations and we understand that if a comedian is in the room, nobody is safe, right? If you look funny, you're going to get made fun of if you say something stupid, you're going to get made fun of. It could be anybody in the room. But this is the Oscars. This is not a comedy show. And for him to single out Jada Pinkett Smith specifically was uncalled for. It was unnecessary. And I can agree with that. But at the same time, it was a joke, bro. It was a joke. He didn't say, "Hey, bitch, you look ugly. Look at your bald head. HA HA!" He said, "G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it." Because you look like the lady from fucking G.I. Jane, bro.

[00:07:58] So some people say it was the wrong place, wrong time. He was out of line. He got what he deserved. You know, he should have been slapped in the face, you know? And it's fine if you have that opinion. I just think that, you know, there was nothing wrong with the joke. But that's a question of opinion, right? I just.. He could have said something much, much, much worse about her appearance. But I think it was a light-hearted joke. But it's just a question of opinion, you know what I'm saying? But when you think about the reaction, what happened next.. If we watch the video again, you saw that most people in the room laughed. Some people were like, "Well, that's kind of fucked up." But Will Smith himself, his first reaction was to laugh. It was like, ha ha, like a light-hearted joke. We get it. Then he looks at his wife, she's not feeling it, and then he changes his reaction. He said, "No, now it's time to be big and tough and I got to defend my wife. I'm going to do something." And he walks up on stage on live TV and slaps the shit out of this man. And the justification is you disrespected my wife.

[00:08:58] Now, you know, I guess depending on how you look at it, you could say he was protecting his wife. But the question is protecting from what? A joke? Another man's words? You know what I'm saying? Like, what exactly was he protecting her from? Where was the actual danger in the situation? You see what I'm saying?

[00:09:19] Like, some people will say, "Oh, well, in the heat of the moment, you know, he got triggered. It's hard to think twice. And he just.. He just acted. So we can't really judge him or hold him accountable for that. And if it were me, I would have done the same thing. If somebody makes a joke about my wife's appearance or somebody's talking shit, I slap the shit out of them too." But would you really? Would you really?

[00:09:41] Like, let's be honest, if Dwayne Johnson, The Rock, or Brock Lesnar or Francis Ngannou was up on stage and your wife has alopecia and she's sitting next to you, and he says, "G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it. Ha, ha." Are you really going to get up on stage and slap the taste out of one of these men's mouths? Come on, bro. Like, let's be serious. You would not do the same thing. Maybe if it was a person that was smaller than you that you weren't afraid of, that you felt that you could take in a fight. You might do something like that. But let's be honest, bro. If it was somebody that could beat the shit out of you, and he made a joke about your wife's appearance. Would you get up on stage and slap the shit out of his face? I doubt it. I don't know, but I doubt it.

[00:10:24] But let's get to the real root of the situation here because you're saying.. What you're telling me.. For people that.. We can already agree that what Chris Rock said was unnecessary. Now, whether you think the joke was inappropriate or disrespectful or whatever, that's a question of opinion. I don't think it was. It was just a fucking joke. But I remember that my sense of humor is extremely dark and I am nowhere near as sensitive as most people these days. So I'm taking that into consideration. I get it. But if we talk about what actually happened, this man made a joke. He said something. And Will Smith's reaction was to get physically violent, to slap him in the face.

Tony Kaizen: [00:11:00] If you're saying that was justifiable and he was protecting his wife, what I hear you saying is anytime somebody says something that you don't like or any time you feel disrespected by somebody's words, it is completely fine to slap the shit out of them. Or to beat they ass. That's really what you're saying here, that it's totally justifiable. Any time somebody says something that you don't like, beat the shit out of them or cancel them or whatever it is. You know, "If I had to choose sides, I would choose Will's side." But, like, bruh...

[00:11:32] There's so many things here. Like, first of all, he laughs first, and then changed his reaction and got up there and slapped him. And he didn't even, like.. The way he went about it..And this is just my opinion, again, but it was just such a bitch move to me, bruh, to get up on stage and slap that man. And first of all, he sucker slapped him, you know, because.. That's really not even a term. But the term sucker punch.. To sucker punch someone means to punch somebody when they're not expecting it. So if you watch the clip again, you'll see where Smith walked up, and looked down for a second, and then he slapped them out of nowhere. It was a surprise. Nobody knew that the slap was actually coming. And that's what it means to sucker somebody, to sucker punch somebody.. Is they're not expecting it, everything is cool, and all of a sudden, bam, you punch them.

[00:12:17] And you might have your own opinion about that, but that's just a bitch move. That's a coward's move. If we're going to fight, if there's going to be a confrontation, you're walking up to this person, there's no hesitation, there's no talking. You punch them, and then you stand there, and we're going to fight now. You don't slap a man like a woman, like a little bitch, and then turn around and walk away. Run away. He walked, but turn around and run away. You know what I'm saying? That's just a bitch move, bro. That's a bitch move. If you.. If it's really a problem and you're going to slap a man in his mouth, then you stand there and wait for his retaliation. We're going to fight now. That's just my opinion.

[00:12:52] And ladies, I don't expect you guys to understand this one. But as a man, one of the things that's most important to us is respect. And to slap a man with an open hand... It's just one of the highest forms of disrespect that you can demonstrate towards another man. You just.. You just don't do that. You see what I'm saying? Like, to slap a man with an open hand is basically communicating you think he's a bitch. He's less than a man. That's what you do with a woman. Now, ladies, no disrespect. I'm not saying that you should hit women. I'm not saying that you slap women. I don't condone that behavior. So, like, please don't come at me with that bullshit. Just follow me and try to understand my point.

[00:13:30] You slap a man with an open hand. That's what you do to a bitch. You're saying he's a bitch? Right. You just don't do that. You don't do it, especially in the context of that situation, bruh. Like, I mean, let's put it this way. You're saying Chris Rock disrespected.. Excuse me, one second. You're saying Chris Rock disrespected Will Smith's wife with this joke, and therefore it's justifiable for him to defend his wife's honor and get up there and punch him in the mouth. Right? Both were kind of wrong in the situation. But we can understand Will Smith's side because he was protecting his wife.

[00:14:08] But let me ask you this question. For those of you that are of the opinion that Will Smith was justified. Let's switch it for just a second. Imagine we're at a presidential inauguration or some formal event and Barack Obama is up on stage and Donald Trump's wife has alopecia. She's bald and he says "G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it."

[00:14:31] Or even more accurate, he makes a joke about his wife's citizenship or her accent when she's speaking English or something like that. Would it be justifiable if Donald Trump got up on stage and slapped the shit out of Barack Obama? Would that be okay? Would that be justifiable? Of course not. You'd be ready to castrate that man. Bury him under the fucking jail. This racist.. And he did it because he was black. Donald Trump slapped him because he was black. And he's a racist piece of shit. And, oh, it was just a joke, bro. You can't take a joke? What, your fucking ego is too weak, Donald Trump? You're a bitch. It was just a joke. Relax, man.

[00:15:08] Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that wouldn't be the majority of people's reaction. Like, come on, bro, let's be real for a second. Like, just because you're a fan of this person doesn't mean that they can do no wrong. You know what I'm saying? Like, and again, I don't know or give a fuck about Will Smith, Chris Rock, Jada Pinkett. We're talking about the actions that were taken. Right? So if we switch it.. Those same actions with different people, would it be the same? I just don't think so. I don't think so.

[00:15:35] Because going back to the joke that was made, you're saying it's not okay to joke about people's illnesses, which it certainly is, in my opinion. There's nothing that cannot be joked about. Now, if she was lying on her deathbed and he was making jokes like, "Ha, ha, you're about to die." Like that's.. That's a little too much. I can agree with that, you know? But I just don't think. The joke was inappropriate or too much or disrespectful in any way. It was a good joke, but that's just my opinion.

[00:16:00] But if it's not okay for us to joke about people's appearance, if it's not okay for us to joke about people's illness or what they look like, how they sound, whatever, it's not okay to make jokes at other people's expense. Why is it then okay, nobody says shit, nobody's upset or angry in any way when we joke about somebody like Donald Trump? "Hey, orange man. Hey, orange face. Hey, yellow hair, toupee man, you ugly motherfucker, you piece of shit." That's totally fine.

[00:16:25] It's totally fine to joke about his wife's citizenship or her accent or the fact that she worked here as a model with no visa or whatever. That's totally fine. Why? Because you don't like him. Because you don't respect him. That's the only reason that it's okay. But if it's somebody you like, if it's somebody you support, if it's a woman, if it's a black man, if it's a gay man, if it's a transsexual, then it's not okay.

[00:16:50] I call bullshit, bro. That's very.. It's extremely hypocritical. Right or wrong.. Whatever happened, whether you think it's right or wrong, that's hypocritical, I think. You know? And it's like we just have to understand, like, this is.. If we're talking we're taking the context of the situation into consideration, this is the Oscars, this prestigious event. Most of us know Will Smith is going to win the award. And the moment, I mean, like, this is his first Oscar, if I'm not mistaken. And, like, a 20-year career in acting. He should have been won an Oscar a long time ago, but he finally wins. And that moment is overshadowed by the fact that he couldn't control himself in the moment because somebody made a joke about his wife. I don't know. You might say, like, "If I was him, I'd do the same thing. Somebody disrespects me and makes a joke about me or my wife. We're going to fight or I'm going to slap the shit out of you or whatever."

[00:17:43] It's a question of opinion, man. But I just think. As a man or a woman, as an adult, as an evolved, educated human being, You understand that words are just words. They're just words. Like, who gives a fuck what people got to say, bro, who gives a fuck? If somebody makes a joke about your appearance or your job or your weight or your height or your whatever. Who gives a shit? If you can't take a joke all that means is you cannot accept reality. In my opinion, that's all that means, because the joke is just making light of reality. We're.. Maybe it's a terrible reality, maybe it's a dark reality, but we're making light of that situation. We're laughing at it. We're saying this is the case, but let's try to make light of it. Let's laugh about it because at the end of the day, this is reality. We cannot change or bend or alter reality just because we don't like it. So let's laugh about it. If we can't laugh about it, what else do we have? If we can't say what we're really thinking, what else do we have? Right?

[00:18:45] Because that's all you're saying. In that moment. it was just words. It was just a joke. I made a joke about your wife's appearance. So when you can't take that and you decide, like, I'm feeling triggered. I'm feeling angry. After you laughed about it.. Immediately after you laughed about the joke, you then change your mind, and then you want to play the tough guy and go physically assault this man. All you've shown the entire world is that all I have to do to get you out of your element, all I have to do to get you acting like a little bitch, like a coward, is just, pow, just flick you. Just say a couple of words and I can get you to throw your career away. I can get you to physically assault me and possibly go to jail. And spend who knows how much money on some type of lawsuit if I press charges and all this shit. That's all you've shown me, is how fucking small you are. Because all I had to do was say, "Ha, your wife's bald." and you're ready to fight. You's a bitch. You are a bitch, bro. You're weak. I'm not saying that in a judgmental way. I'm not saying that I'm better or worse than anybody else. It's just my opinion. That's weak as fuck.

[00:19:52] Like, if you're offended by somebody else's words to the point where you want to physically hurt them or cancel them or get them fired or whatever it is, it's most likely because your parents did a poor job of raising you. Your parents didn't teach you how the world actually works. Your parents didn't teach you how life actually works. Because a lot of people would say, like, we were talking about this in the community on Discord the other day, and one of our members said, or I asked everyone in the group, "Do you guys believe in freedom of speech? Do you think that Chris had the right to say what he said? Do you believe that anybody has the right to say anything negative or positive, hurtful or helpful? Do you believe in that?"

[00:20:29] And one of our members said, "Yeah, but only if what the person is saying is not mean or hurtful or disrespectful. I don't think that they should have the ability or the platform or the stage to say those things." And if that's what you believe, that's totally fine. I mean, it's just a question of opinion, I guess. But what you're saying, what you're communicating is, "I believe in free speech, but only if. What the person is saying is something I like or want to hear."

Tony Kaizen: [00:20:57] And that's not free speech. You cannot say, "I believe in free speech, but". There is no 'but'.. There's. That's the end of the sentence. I believe in free speech. Because free, freedom, the idea is no restrictions, no limits, no barriers. Do whatever you want, say whatever you want. So as soon as you say 'but', the speech is no longer free. And the problem here is you are arbitrarily putting limits on someone else's ability to express themselves freely. And the problem with that is life just doesn't work like that. The world is not going to stop and consider your thoughts or feelings or experiences every time they have something to say. That's just not the way the world works.

[00:21:39] Because you, expressing your opinion, saying that he's wrong, saying that he deserved it, saying he's a piece of shit or talking shit about somebody like Donald Trump. And I've said his name a few times. I keep using that example. I'm not like, "Yeah, go for Donald Trump, support him." I don't give a fuck about none of that. I'm not a Trump supporter or Obama supporter. I don't.. I have no political affiliation. I don't give a fuck about any of that. It's just.. That is a public figure that is.. And it's totally fine to disrespect and degrade him, but not people that we like and respect. And I just think that's hypocritical. So I just wanted to make that clear, but it's like... I lost my train of thought. What was I saying? Ah, yeah. Free speech.

[00:22:22] Free speech, you can't say, "I believe that everyone has the right to express themselves, but only if they're saying something I like or appreciate or agree with." That's not how free speech works. And people died. People gave their lives so that you could sit up here and express your thoughts or opinions. So for you to turn around and say that somebody else can't just because you don't like what they have to say is childish and hypocritical, I think.

[00:22:47] Because if you don't like what somebody has to say, you don't have to listen. You can always get up and fucking leave. Right? And how is it that you feel justified to say that you disagree? But he doesn't have the right or she doesn't have the right to say what they want to say? It doesn't make sense to me. Hate speech is free speech. Disrespectful speech is free speech. Hurtful speech is free speech. You don't have to like it or accept it, but that's what it is. Because think about it, if you're saying that we can only say things that are not hurtful, disrespectful, controversial, we can only say things that won't hurt other people's feelings, we need to consider everyone's thoughts, feelings and experiences before we open our mouths, how the fuck are we going to speak about anything? We can't. Jordan Peterson said it best. In order to be able to think, you have to be able to risk being offensive to somebody.

Tony Kaizen: [00:23:44] It's impossible to take.. Imagine we have a black person, a white person, a woman, a man, a gay person, a transsexual, a Latino, an Asian an African, all in the same room and I have something to say. You're telling me I need to stop, think and consider all of these people from all of these different walks of life and make sure I'm not going to say anything that will hurt any of their feelings? That's childish, bro. It's ridiculous. It's like you're really.. You just don't understand how life works. And you're totally fine.. It's just hypocritical because you're totally fine saying what you have to say or making jokes about things that you think are funny or expressing your opinion about certain things. And I highly doubt that you're taking the world into consideration every time you express yourself, and that's the way it should be. You shouldn't take the entire world into consideration. Right? It's ridiculous, bro. It's ridiculous.

[00:24:35] I am not responsible for your feelings about what I said. I'm responsible for what I say. That's it. Now, if there's a reaction to what I say, then I just have to deal with that. But to say that I'm responsible for how you feel about what I say is fucking childish. It's childish. I don't know what else to say about that. Like, if you can't understand that concept, I don't really know what else to say. You can't say "I believe in freedom of speech, but. And it's impossible to take everyone into consideration before you speak because then nobody would speak.

[00:25:10] And even if you do try to put those limits on someone else's speech, you think they're going to stop thinking what they think? Of course not. They're just not going to say it, but they keep thinking it. They're going to talk about it behind closed doors, which just makes it harder for us to communicate and for us to understand each other and to work together. Because now I smile and I say these nice things, but as soon as I shut the door and I'm with my friends, I'm saying something completely different. That's called 'politics'. That's politics. And we hate fucking politicians. Why? Because they say one thing and they do another. They say one thing and they believe another. We hate that shit. And you're asking everyone to be a fucking politician when you say "Only say things that are acceptable by everyone, only say things that will hurt no one's feelings." That's fucking crazy, bro.

[00:25:59] That is fucking ridiculous to say that if somebody says something that you don't like p.hysically assault them, beat the shit out of them, slap them if you feel disrespected, get physical. If you feel disrespected, try to get them fired. Try to ruin their lives because they hurt your feelings. It's childish. That's childish because if we go back to the moment at the Oscars, I mean, this great legendary American actor, Will Smith, his crowning achievement, he finally wins the Oscar. This is his moment. This is his night. Finally, he gets the award. And somebody makes a joke about his wife's appearance.

[00:26:35] In that moment, again, you know, it's hard to say what should have been done because it's a question of opinion. But in that moment you're saying, ok, you got disrespected. Somebody says something he didn't like. Why not sit there, grab your wife's hand, look at her and understand, we know who we are. So who gives a fuck with somebody else has to say about us or the way we look or what we do? I know who I am. She knows who she is. We know who we are. So there's nothing that you can tell me that's going to make me feel or think differently about myself. I know who I am. Because guess what? She is bald. Guess what? She does look like fucking G.I. Jane. She does, that's just the truth.

[00:27:18] Now, you might say, "Ok, but you don't have to say that." And I agree, it was unnecessary. He didn't need to say that. He didn't need to single her out and comment on her appearance. Sure, bro. But why not just.. If it was so horrible what he said, if it was so disrespectful and just horrific what he said. Why not just sit there and let the room feel that? He makes this joke, why not just sit there? Why do you need to react? Let the room feel that and let him sit in that disgusting thing he just said. The embarrassment alone is enough punishment for him. And you maintain your dignity and your self-respect by showing everyone. Yeah, he said that. But so fucking what? I'm tall, dark, handsome, rich, famous. I got a beautiful wife. We're both successful entertainers. I'm about to win an Oscar tonight. I don't give a fuck what you got to say. To me. That's the way you handle that situation. Somebody who respects themselves and knows who they are and is not affected by the fucking petty little comments that people make. That's how you handle that situation. This is my opinion, you know, so I just think it's weird.

[00:28:26] Of course, everyone has their own opinion, but it's just weird to me how people pick and choose and change the definition of right and wrong depending on who we're talking about. Because if it was somebody that you didn't like or respect, you'd be ready to fucking end that man's career and possibly his life for doing what he did, right? Take the Oscar back from him. Cancel him. Never invite him back to the academy. Stop watching his movies. Boycott Will Smith. Or boycott this person I don't like because he did something I don't like. Tell me I'm wrong, bro. Tell me I'm wrong. It was.. It was a weird moment, man. It was weird.

[00:29:06] I mean, unfortunately, I didn't, like, write down what I wanted to say before I started recording this because I just wanted to express myself naturally about the subject and kind of just let my.. Let my mind kind of wander in and out of this subject because there's so many different things to talk about, so many different things to consider. And at the end of the day, it's just a question of opinion, right? Like you may think that Chris Rock was wrong and he got what he deserved. You may think he was right and it was no big deal. And the same thing about Will Smith. We're just talking about opinion here, right?

[00:29:36] But I don't know. I don't know, man. I'm trying to look back at these points like, was he out of line? Maybe. Can you talk about people's illnesses? I think so. But again, I have a very dark sense of humor, you know what I'm saying? So I know a lot of people, especially these days, are extremely sensitive. And, you know, they think there are certain things you can't joke about. Was it the right place or time? Probably not, because it wasn't a comedy show. You know, it was the Oscars. Maybe he shouldn't have made that joke. I can agree with that.

[00:30:08] But was.. Was it violence? Was what Chris Rock said, a form of psychological violence or something like that? I don't think so, because for somebody to say that that joke was a form of violence, if you believe that, I just think you don't know what real violence actually is. Maybe you've never experienced real violence. Like, I've experienced real violence. You know what I'm saying? I've experienced violence done to me and I've been violent towards somebody else. And saying that your wife is bald, she looks like G.I. Jane is not violent in any way, shape, or form. Now, words can incite violence for sure. But violence? I think that's a step.. I think that's a slight exaggeration of what happened, but that's just my opinion.

[00:30:51] And again, if you believe in free speech, then you have to accept the fact that people are going to say things that you don't want to hear. People are going to say things that you don't like. You're going to be disrespected verbally. And that's just life, bro. Nobody gives a fuck about your feelings the same way you don't give a fuck about everyone's feelings. It's impossible to take everyone's thoughts and feelings and experiences into consideration every time you have something to say. It's ridiculous. It's fucking ridiculous. It's childish. Whatever your political affiliation, whoever you are a fan of, it doesn't matter, bro. It doesn't matter. Take your favorite person out of the situation and then ask yourself, "right or wrong?" You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't know. It was fucking weird.

[00:31:41] It's just weird to me how people will get a pass just because you like them. But if it was somebody else, it would be unacceptable. That's.. That's weird to me. It's weird to me that people think it's okay to get violent, physically violent just because somebody says something you don't like. It's weird to me that people expect the entire world to change the way that they behave, the way that they speak, the way that they interact, because they are uncomfortable. It's like you expect the world to bend to your reality and consider your thoughts and feelings. Because they're your thoughts and feelings. But nobody's responsible for your thoughts or feelings except you.

[00:32:26] Now, I'm not saying you should just be mean, you should just make hurtful jokes, it's okay to disrespect people. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying you're free to say whatever you want and nobody should have the ability to stop you from doing that. That's one of the greatest things about.. I'm speaking about the U.S. now. That's one of the greatest things about this country, is you can say whatever you want. You can say, "Fuck the president." and nothing will happen. That's the way it should be. You should be able to say whatever you want. That's just what I think. You know? So... I feel like at this point I'm going to start being redundant and repetitive because again, I didn't write what I thought first. I'm not reading a script or anything like that so I can feel I'm going to start going in circles and just keep saying the same thing. So I think I'll stop it there.

[00:33:13] And at the end of the day, none of us will ever really know what really happened or the motivation for what took place. And more importantly, we'll never know why it happened. I guess that's kind of the same thing. We'll never know what actually happened and we'll never know why it happened because all we know is what we saw on television. None of us know any of these people personally and frankly, I don't give a fuck about two celebrities fighting on TV. Now, I know that sounds contradictory and maybe a little hypocritical when you consider the fact that I did an entire podcast episode about them. But my interest is simply in the actions that were taken and not the people that took them.

[00:33:44] Because let's be honest, if you saw the same scenario between two guys in a grocery store or at the park, you'd probably tell your friends about it when you got home, right? You might record it and post it on social media and be like, "Oh, that's fucking crazy! Look at this!" But after a few days, you'd probably never talk about it again. And you certainly wouldn't be talking about it as if you knew those people personally, the way people are doing with Will, Jada, and Chris. Right? But anyway, I want to end this episode with another video clip, and I want you to tell me if there's a difference between what happened at the Oscars and what happened in this clip right here.

Will Smith: [00:34:21] Man, Arsenio, they got rules. They got rules. Like, he has a rule. The bass player, he got a rule. He's got to wax his head every morning. That's a rule. He follows the rules, man. He follows the rules.

Will Smith: [00:34:33] Oh, these are jokes! Come on!

Arsenio Hall: [00:34:37] See, you go too into the characters and got hurt.

[END OF EPISODE]

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